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		<title>By: Billigflüge</title>
		<link>http://moraliablog.com/2008/07/c-section-moms-to-the-back-of-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-11743</link>
		<dc:creator>Billigflüge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent article 
As i was expecting my second baby I wondered whether or not I could have delivered vaginally.Fortunately thanks to my doctor I had a successfil VBAC and I poved that the speech  &quot;once a Cesearean, always a Cesearean,&quot; isn&#039;t true. The fact that my previous c-section was not classical one was the most important factor of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent article<br />
As i was expecting my second baby I wondered whether or not I could have delivered vaginally.Fortunately thanks to my doctor I had a successfil VBAC and I poved that the speech  &#8220;once a Cesearean, always a Cesearean,&#8221; isn&#8217;t true. The fact that my previous c-section was not classical one was the most important factor of success.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a C-section almost 9 months ago, because after 2 weeks overdue plus homeopathy, 2h cycling per day for 15days, acupuncture, acupressure, up and down stairs, sauna, bath with special herbs, special massages, midwife cocktail and injected prostaglandine, my cervix simply would not dilate. I had contractions, with a closed cervix, so as the doc said: &quot; it&#039;s like banging the head of the baby on a wall&quot;. Still, today went to see my GP - he didn&#039;t know me before the birth- because I still have a 4cm gap between my abdominal muscles and back pain.... He saw I had a C-section and assumed I would prefer to have an operation to tighten my muscles instead of doing exercises. He then felt free to lecture me on the positive aspect of a natural birth and natural things and natural that, told me that I should be jogging at least 3 times a week (I jogg 2hrs per week, which I thought was already not so bad!! on top of walking the dog 2hrs per day!).... And I came home and cried, and cried, and cried.... but now that I read all of you, I feel a lot better. Thank you. I think I&#039;ll try to love my scar too :-D, as well as the extra skin that is still floating on top of it :-D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a C-section almost 9 months ago, because after 2 weeks overdue plus homeopathy, 2h cycling per day for 15days, acupuncture, acupressure, up and down stairs, sauna, bath with special herbs, special massages, midwife cocktail and injected prostaglandine, my cervix simply would not dilate. I had contractions, with a closed cervix, so as the doc said: &#8221; it&#8217;s like banging the head of the baby on a wall&#8221;. Still, today went to see my GP &#8211; he didn&#8217;t know me before the birth- because I still have a 4cm gap between my abdominal muscles and back pain&#8230;. He saw I had a C-section and assumed I would prefer to have an operation to tighten my muscles instead of doing exercises. He then felt free to lecture me on the positive aspect of a natural birth and natural things and natural that, told me that I should be jogging at least 3 times a week (I jogg 2hrs per week, which I thought was already not so bad!! on top of walking the dog 2hrs per day!)&#8230;. And I came home and cried, and cried, and cried&#8230;. but now that I read all of you, I feel a lot better. Thank you. I think I&#8217;ll try to love my scar too <img src='http://moraliablog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> , as well as the extra skin that is still floating on top of it <img src='http://moraliablog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Myron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had three myself with the last being the hardest to recover from. My hospital stay was somewhat the same too. I refuse to feel any guilt. I have a sister in law who thinks my other sister in law was never really pregnant bacause she delivered by section a very premature baby. He is now a healthy 6 year old. 
Congratulations on your beautiful baby girl. She really is beautiful I&#039;m not just saying that because its the polite thing to say! Love the name too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had three myself with the last being the hardest to recover from. My hospital stay was somewhat the same too. I refuse to feel any guilt. I have a sister in law who thinks my other sister in law was never really pregnant bacause she delivered by section a very premature baby. He is now a healthy 6 year old.<br />
Congratulations on your beautiful baby girl. She really is beautiful I&#8217;m not just saying that because its the polite thing to say! Love the name too.</p>
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		<title>By: Joline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job here.  I labored with my first and delivered via c-section and chose a c-section for my second.

No regrets.

I just figure it was how it was supposed to go for me.  And I really loved and trusted my MD who had a very low c-section rate - like 1%.  She knew what she was doing and what she was advising me to do.

Thank you for being a champion for us.

I LOVE my scar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job here.  I labored with my first and delivered via c-section and chose a c-section for my second.</p>
<p>No regrets.</p>
<p>I just figure it was how it was supposed to go for me.  And I really loved and trusted my MD who had a very low c-section rate &#8211; like 1%.  She knew what she was doing and what she was advising me to do.</p>
<p>Thank you for being a champion for us.</p>
<p>I LOVE my scar!</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you survived the hospital and at least were able to get a mini-upgrade in your room. Although I stayed in a pediatric room after my 4th and it depressed me. I did want to add that many of the &#039;nice&#039; rooms at St. Vincent&#039;s also look out on HVAC equipment. And the TVs are just inside built-in cabinetry. The remotes are hard to come by anywhere in that hospital. Not sure what&#039;s up with that! Anyway, I&#039;ll bet coming home felt nice after all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you survived the hospital and at least were able to get a mini-upgrade in your room. Although I stayed in a pediatric room after my 4th and it depressed me. I did want to add that many of the &#8216;nice&#8217; rooms at St. Vincent&#8217;s also look out on HVAC equipment. And the TVs are just inside built-in cabinetry. The remotes are hard to come by anywhere in that hospital. Not sure what&#8217;s up with that! Anyway, I&#8217;ll bet coming home felt nice after all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Brozyna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha Brozyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only one response to those people who go on about how a vaginal birth is better than a c-section because it&#039;s natural -- what is natural is not always good for you.  Diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella are natural, yet everyone I know vaccinates their kids against them.  Infections are natural, but most people run quickly to the doctor for antibiotics if they have a sinus infection. Poisonous mushrooms are natural, yet I don&#039;t see anyone chowing down on those unless they have a death wish.  I view childbirth in a similar light. Childbirth, whether vaginal or c-section, is a serious matter.  It can kill you.  That&#039;s why women should be more rational about their approach to it instead of expecting some kind of mystical experience when they have a baby. And they certainly should not give in to family or societal pressures when it comes to giving birth -- your health and the health of your child should be the primary concern.  As a historian (my specialty is medieval women&#039;s history, gender and sexuality), I am well aware that childbirth was the biggest killer of women for most of human history.  I do realize that women have given birth since the beginning of time and that vaginal childbirth used to be the only way to do it, but the fact is that it wasn&#039;t always safest way to go.  I don&#039;t understand why modern women romanticize vaginal childbirth as somehow morally superior because it&#039;s more &quot;natural&quot; (whatever that means, if you really want to be 100% natural about giving birth, you should give birth in a grass hut with a medicine woman chanting incantations while she gives you herbs to munch on).
 
I&#039;ve had two c-sections because of my small pelvis, and I don&#039;t feel inferior in the slightest to women who give birth vaginally.  I can&#039;t count how many times women have said to me &quot;oh, I&#039;m so sorry&quot; when they heard I had a c-section after one of my children was born.  Don&#039;t feel sorry for me, I&#039;m grateful that I live in a time, and in a medically advanced country like the United States, where I can have a c-section for my physical well being and for the well being of my child.  
 
At the end of the day, women should have a choice of how they&#039;d like to give birth, provided that it does not harm the baby.  You want have VBAC, fine, you want to give birth vaginally with pain meds, also fine, you want to give birth in your bathtub with a doula while filming the whole procedure for a documentary (like Ricki Lake did), great.  I have a serious problem, however, with this ridiculous trend in recent years of making women who have had c-sections feel inferior. Those who believe that you can only be a &quot;real woman&quot; if you deliver vaginally should perhaps look to poorer parts of the world like Sudan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh, where women give birth naturally and don&#039;t have the option of pain meds, c-sections, or epidurals and see if these women romanticize their plight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only one response to those people who go on about how a vaginal birth is better than a c-section because it&#8217;s natural &#8212; what is natural is not always good for you.  Diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella are natural, yet everyone I know vaccinates their kids against them.  Infections are natural, but most people run quickly to the doctor for antibiotics if they have a sinus infection. Poisonous mushrooms are natural, yet I don&#8217;t see anyone chowing down on those unless they have a death wish.  I view childbirth in a similar light. Childbirth, whether vaginal or c-section, is a serious matter.  It can kill you.  That&#8217;s why women should be more rational about their approach to it instead of expecting some kind of mystical experience when they have a baby. And they certainly should not give in to family or societal pressures when it comes to giving birth &#8212; your health and the health of your child should be the primary concern.  As a historian (my specialty is medieval women&#8217;s history, gender and sexuality), I am well aware that childbirth was the biggest killer of women for most of human history.  I do realize that women have given birth since the beginning of time and that vaginal childbirth used to be the only way to do it, but the fact is that it wasn&#8217;t always safest way to go.  I don&#8217;t understand why modern women romanticize vaginal childbirth as somehow morally superior because it&#8217;s more &#8220;natural&#8221; (whatever that means, if you really want to be 100% natural about giving birth, you should give birth in a grass hut with a medicine woman chanting incantations while she gives you herbs to munch on).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had two c-sections because of my small pelvis, and I don&#8217;t feel inferior in the slightest to women who give birth vaginally.  I can&#8217;t count how many times women have said to me &#8220;oh, I&#8217;m so sorry&#8221; when they heard I had a c-section after one of my children was born.  Don&#8217;t feel sorry for me, I&#8217;m grateful that I live in a time, and in a medically advanced country like the United States, where I can have a c-section for my physical well being and for the well being of my child.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day, women should have a choice of how they&#8217;d like to give birth, provided that it does not harm the baby.  You want have VBAC, fine, you want to give birth vaginally with pain meds, also fine, you want to give birth in your bathtub with a doula while filming the whole procedure for a documentary (like Ricki Lake did), great.  I have a serious problem, however, with this ridiculous trend in recent years of making women who have had c-sections feel inferior. Those who believe that you can only be a &#8220;real woman&#8221; if you deliver vaginally should perhaps look to poorer parts of the world like Sudan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh, where women give birth naturally and don&#8217;t have the option of pain meds, c-sections, or epidurals and see if these women romanticize their plight.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry you had such an awful experience.  Some of my vaginal deliveries and PP were awful, too.  When my first 3 were born, we had to share a room and bathroom (ick!) with no showers.  I clearly remember with my 3rd my &quot;roommate&quot; was foreign and she smelled awful, it was making me sick, she had visitors until midnight, her phone kept ringing &amp; her baby was screaming non-stop. I called dh in the middle of the night and asked him to get us out of there, as I was trying to breastfeed for the first time (which I successfully did for 13 months no thanks to this lady).  Another time they forgot to bring me dinner, I asked and asked, never got anything b/c the kitchen was closed.  Had to call dh to drive 45 min with a bunch of kids to bring me something.  I could go on and on..
Anyways, my point was, even vaginal birth experiences can be awful. It&#039;s over, so just enjoy your new baby now! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry you had such an awful experience.  Some of my vaginal deliveries and PP were awful, too.  When my first 3 were born, we had to share a room and bathroom (ick!) with no showers.  I clearly remember with my 3rd my &#8220;roommate&#8221; was foreign and she smelled awful, it was making me sick, she had visitors until midnight, her phone kept ringing &amp; her baby was screaming non-stop. I called dh in the middle of the night and asked him to get us out of there, as I was trying to breastfeed for the first time (which I successfully did for 13 months no thanks to this lady).  Another time they forgot to bring me dinner, I asked and asked, never got anything b/c the kitchen was closed.  Had to call dh to drive 45 min with a bunch of kids to bring me something.  I could go on and on..<br />
Anyways, my point was, even vaginal birth experiences can be awful. It&#8217;s over, so just enjoy your new baby now! : )</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do admit that I had family pressure to try for the VBAC.  However, I am glad that I tried the VBAC even though it ended up in another c-section.  I hate the term &quot;failed VBAC&quot;.  I do not believe I failed at anything since the outcome was a healthy baby and a now healthy almost 5 year old.  I personally would have always wondered whether or not I could have delivered vaginally.  My easiest c-section by far was my 3rd when I did not labor or push before surgery.  Congratulations again on your beautiful new baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do admit that I had family pressure to try for the VBAC.  However, I am glad that I tried the VBAC even though it ended up in another c-section.  I hate the term &#8220;failed VBAC&#8221;.  I do not believe I failed at anything since the outcome was a healthy baby and a now healthy almost 5 year old.  I personally would have always wondered whether or not I could have delivered vaginally.  My easiest c-section by far was my 3rd when I did not labor or push before surgery.  Congratulations again on your beautiful new baby!</p>
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