The lazy shrew and the breeder pig

Last year there was a discussion on an e-mail list I’m on about the Duggars, the notoriously large family of 17 (soon to be 18) children. There were comments about how that was too many children to give individual attention to each, a snide comment or two about Mrs. Duggar’s hairstyle, and the general consensus seemed to be that the Gosselins were a more “real” family to whom my list-mates could relate because the Duggars seemed too scarily perfect in a Stepford sort of way.

At the time, I had heard of the Duggars but not the Gosselins, but hadn’t seen either family on TV. Curious, I searched the TV listings, found the Gosselins’ show John & Kate Plus 8 (a regular series) along with a show about the Duggars (who do not have a regular series; I know of only two documentary-type shows featuring the family). I watched the Duggar documentaries and a couple of episodes of John & Kate, and did some online reading that revealed some of the similarities and differences between the two families.

Differences: John and Kate Gosselin only (did I say only????) have 8 children, a set of twins and a set of sextuplets, while Jim-Bob and Michelle Duggar have more than twice as many, with two sets of twins but the rst single births. The Duggars homeschool their children, while the Gosselins do not. The Duggar children behave so well and their parents are always so calm and relaxed (at least in the two documentaries) that it’s enough to give most normal parents an inferiority complex, while the Gosselin kids often run their parents ragged.

Similarities: There are a lot of people out there who really, really, REALLY hate these people. A lot of people have spent a lot of time online venting their spleen against these two families, and in particularly against these two mothers. The “lazy shrew” part of this post title refers a blog characterization of Kate Gosselin, while the “breeder pig” part refers one of the many vile epithets about Michelle Duggar that pollute the internet.

Let’s take the lazy shrew first. There is a blog called Gosselins Without Pity in which fans (if people who watch a show obsessively and then complain about it can be called fans) of the show post their comments, which frequently take the form of long, detailed explanations of what Kate Gosselin did wrong, why she’s (a) a control freak, (b) lazy, (c) mean to her husband, (d) mean to her kids, (e) all of the above. Jon gets either sympathy for being henpecked, or contempt for not setting his carping shrew of a wife straight.

I have to be honest and say that I simply haven’t watched the show often enough to know whether these criticisms are justified or not. I am too busy taking care of my own four children to watch any non-news TV regularly. In the two episodes I did see, Kate did nothing especially reprehensible. And if she gets testy sometimes, well, I can see how that might happen when you have two 7-year-olds and six 3-year-olds in the house. My one 3-year-old alone is enough to drive anyone to distraction.

In addition to the Gosselin-specific blogs (there are more than just the one I mentioned) there is much discussion of Jon’s and Kate’s (but especially Kate’s) shortcomings elsewhere on the web. This post at from last October has garnered well over 13,000 comments so far. A more recent article from a few months ago has 3,500-plus comments and they’re still pouring in.

Now for the breeder pig. Online haters of Kate Gosselin have nothing on the crowd that picks on Michelle Duggar. Adlyn Morrison posted on her blog last month a collection of particularly vile comments posted at You Tube after the Duggars announced they were expecting their 18th child.

One comments,

Nice f***ing hair, breeder pig.

Another writes,

oh god…twisted fundamentalist midwestern Christians…bah all the girls have those ugly long hair styles and they’re all wearing dresses…”cough…these people must really hate gay people.. [sic; all capitalization and punctuation errors in original]

How wearing dresses and having long hair signify hatred of homosexuals is beyond me. A third opines,

This family disgusts me. I’m surprised this woman’s uterus hasn’t fallen out while walking down the street. [Misplaced modifier alert: the uterus isn’t walking down the street; the woman is.]

Personally, I think the state of Mrs. Duggar’s reproductive organs is her own business, and far too private a matter for internet speculation, but alas, all too many people don’t agree. A particularly offensive photo crops up frequently on websites and blogs discussing the Duggars. It is a formal studio portrait of the Duggar family, on which some devilishly clever and classy person has added the caption, “VAGINA: It’s not a clown car.” The photo appears, for example, here, where still more people are spouting off with great wit and verve about Mrs. Duggar’s reproductive organs and hair (one comment eloquently opines that Mrs. D’s hair is “f***ed up”).

Earlier this month, there was a discussion on the Pregnancy and Parenting bulletin board about the Duggars, and while many of the comments were either supportive of the Duggars or expressing the view that it’s no one else’s business how many children the Duggars have, there were a few making comments like this one from Kathy on July 11:

Personally, I think that BOTH Michelle and her husband, Jim Bob, need to be rounded up and FORCIBLY STERILIZED!!…Can you imagine the ABSOLUTE DRAIN on the environment that this ONE FAMILY creates???…No wonder that the environment is in such terrible shape and Global warming is increasing with SELFISH people like Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar (doesn’t that name just SCREAM hilbilly hick??) draining the Earth’s natural resources with their endless brood! [ellipses mine; original post was longer]

The “kids are bad for the environment” argument is something I’ve posted about before. This is strictly an affluent Westerner’s line of thinking, the sort of reasoning you get from the kind of people lampooned on

While one does find defenses of big families online, one finds far more of the obnoxious and insulting attacks, like the question posted on Live Journal asking, “do you think the duggars are batshit insane?” Needless to say, many respondents did.

By allowing TV cameras into their homes, the Gosselins and Duggars have opened themselves up to this sort of thing, just as I have opened myself up to it by starting a blog. I now receive insulting comments (mainly on my political posts) but that’s the price of being in the public eye. The negative comments people make in cyberspace about Kate Gosselin are sometimes mean, but they focus primarily on her parenting style, whereas the comments about Michelle Duggar are often truly beyond the pale.

Update 12/28/08: This post has been updated to show longer quotes in block quote format. None of the content has been altered.

Comments 13

  1. Garth Gilbert wrote:

    I really believe the people who have such disdain for the Duggars and Gosselins are women who either:

    A. Forgot to reproduce and are now past reproductive age.

    B. Incapable of having children due to numerous abortions when they were young or who were sterilized by a venereal disease when they were young.

    In the end, the Duggars’ and Gosselins’ DNA will propagate through the rest of time while the feminists who forgot to breed will have their DNA eradicated from the planet.

    And that, my friends, is a good thing.

    Posted 31 Jul 2008 at 11:32 pm
  2. Lisa wrote:

    Garth, that is so un-called-for. I agree that some of those comments about the Duggars are really mean, but it’s not necessarily infertile women making those comments. Infertility is a tragedy. You should have compassion for women who suffer from this instead of saying hateful things about them.

    Posted 01 Aug 2008 at 8:26 pm
  3. Nicole wrote:

    The Duggars do strike me as a little “odd” (and I think I am on your email list that discussed this). The Duggars and Gosselins are very different families and I can relate more to the Gosselins (although Kate can be rather annoying LOL). I sometimes tune in just because I, too, have 8 children and like to “compare” (if you want to call it that, I don’t have six 3 yr olds and two 7 yr olds). Large families are becoming more and more common and for the most part, everyone is supportive of mine (not that is their business), or at least they don’t say anything directly mean to me. It’s a shame the horrible things people say about the Duggars and Gosselins. To each his own.

    Posted 01 Aug 2008 at 8:37 pm
  4. Garth Gilbert wrote:


    If a woman is sterile because she was promiscuous and contracted a disease which made her infertile, than no, it’s not the tragedy you make it out to be.

    If a woman is infertile because she had too many abortions, than it is probably a good thing that her DNA doesn’t make it into the gene pool.

    Posted 01 Aug 2008 at 9:06 pm
  5. Brigette Russell wrote:

    It was our list as well as another where the Duggars were discussed, Nicole. On the other list, some of the comments got a bit snide (the hair thing, etc.). I don’t recall that happening on our list.

    While you may not have six 3-yr-old, you do have a LOT of really little children, including some younger than 3, so I think your job is every bit as hard as Kate Gosselin’s — if not harder, since she’s probably compensated pretty well for that TV show and can hire some help.

    Posted 02 Aug 2008 at 4:16 pm
  6. Lindsey wrote:

    I like to watch Jon and Kate plus 8, because to me they are a “normal” family. Now not that the Duggar’s aren’t “normal” per say…but I just can’t compare my family to theirs. They are a family of 20 and are debt-free is for one thing amazing! I can just relate more to Kate. I only have 2 young children and am pregnant with my 3rd and I sometimes get stresses. I think both mom’s get my praise and admiration as they handle their children and stressors of life way better than I think I would or could in their situation!

    Posted 02 Aug 2008 at 5:56 pm
  7. Bowden Russell wrote:

    Wow! Interesting thread! Congratulations Lindsey on the third child.

    Thanks for not stopping at two.

    Posted 03 Aug 2008 at 3:21 am
  8. wireless mouse wrote:

    maybe i’m biased because i love jon and kate plus 8, however i hardly ever choose to watch the duggar specials simply because i don’t care for their lifestyle. i’m tolerant of the duggars’ choices; they can do whatever they want, it’s their life. but one thing i will say is that the gosselins take time to get to know their kids’ personalities and give them individual attention while it seems that the duggars don’t have the time. now i’m all for big families but 20 kids in a span 18 years is a little much, in my opinion.

    Posted 03 Aug 2008 at 11:45 pm
  9. Melissa wrote:

    I have watched Jon & Kate plus 8 and all of the Duggar specials….here’s my perspective. When I watch the Duggar Family, I’m inspired and stop feeling sorry for myself (heck, I just have 6 kids). When I watch Jon & Kate, I get some practical ideas and can relate to Kate’s intensity at times. It’s crazy with a house full of personalities! But seeing how ‘intesity’ looks inspires me to lighten up a bit!

    Posted 08 Aug 2008 at 2:20 am
  10. Angela wrote:

    I run a Jon & Kate parody blog (and have gotten called a few nasty names myself), and nothing has been as wildly popular as my imagined Duggar/Gosselin wife swap. I too am surprised by the viciousness directed at the Duggars for their choices. They aren’t choices I would make for myself but I do respect they are their choices, just as it was the Gosselins’ choice not to selectively reduce.

    Posted 11 Sep 2008 at 10:29 pm
  11. laurajean wrote:

    Garth Gilbert, you’re an ass.

    Posted 12 Nov 2008 at 4:32 pm
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